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LNOLO? - Why not just use Landmark Option with a NAck flag?

The draft currently has a Landmark option that is included in RSs,
and a Landmark Not On Link Option that is included in RAs for
negative responses to Landmark Options.

Why not just include a "NAck" flag in a Landmark Option and allow it
to be included in RAs for the same purpose.  Also, in unicast "yes"
answers, if the answer is yes, then the PIO is not really needed
and a Landmark Option without the proposed NAck flag would be
sufficient.

This way a unicast answer to an RS with an LO would always be
an RA with an LO (which identifies the prefix in question) and a
flag would indicate whether it's a positive or negative answer.

Any support for abandoning LNOLO in favour of LO with a NAck flag
but with the same semantics?
Any support for using an LO instead of a PIO for a unicast yes? 

Discussion


Jim

Brett,

I don't think either of these are needed. The host can figure it out. 

            jak

Erik

Brett Pentland wrote:

> The draft currently has a Landmark option that is included in RSs,
> and a Landmark Not On Link Option that is included in RAs for
> negative responses to Landmark Options.
>
> Why not just include a "NAck" flag in a Landmark Option and allow it
> to be included in RAs for the same purpose.  Also, in unicast "yes"
> answers, if the answer is yes, then the PIO is not really needed
> and a Landmark Option without the proposed NAck flag would be
> sufficient.
>
> This way a unicast answer to an RS with an LO would always be
> an RA with an LO (which identifies the prefix in question) and a
> flag would indicate whether it's a positive or negative answer.
>
> Any support for abandoning LNOLO in favour of LO with a NAck flag
> but with the same semantics?
> Any support for using an LO instead of a PIO for a unicast yes?


I think both of these make sense. It's pretty concise and can be described as the host asking "am I still <here>" and the router answering "you are still <here>", or "you are not <here> + information you might want"

  Erik 

Brett

So a yes would be the requested prefix, and a no would be the list
of avilable prefixes?

Brett.

James Kempf wrote:

> Brett,
>
> I don't think either of these are needed. The host can figure it out.
>             jak
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brett Pentland" <brett.pentland@eng.monash.edu.au>
> To: <dna-dt@eng.monash.edu.au>
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 12:48 AM
> Subject: [DNA-DT] Solution1, Issue 11: LNOLO?
>
>
>
>> The draft currently has a Landmark option that is included in RSs,
>> and a Landmark Not On Link Option that is included in RAs for
>> negative responses to Landmark Options.
>>
>> Why not just include a "NAck" flag in a Landmark Option and allow it
>> to be included in RAs for the same purpose.  Also, in unicast "yes"
>> answers, if the answer is yes, then the PIO is not really needed
>> and a Landmark Option without the proposed NAck flag would be
>> sufficient.
>>
>> This way a unicast answer to an RS with an LO would always be
>> an RA with an LO (which identifies the prefix in question) and a
>> flag would indicate whether it's a positive or negative answer.
>>
>> Any support for abandoning LNOLO in favour of LO with a NAck flag
>> but with the same semantics?
>> Any support for using an LO instead of a PIO for a unicast yes?

Jim

Right.

            jak

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brett Pentland" <brett.pentland@eng.monash.edu.au>
To: "James Kempf" <kempf@docomolabs-usa.com>
Cc: <dna-dt@eng.monash.edu.au>
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA-DT] Solution1, Issue 11: LNOLO?



>> So a yes would be the requested prefix, and a no would be the list
>> of avilable prefixes?
>> 
>> Brett.
>> 
>> James Kempf wrote:
>
>>> > Brett,
>>> > 
>>> > I don't think either of these are needed. The host can figure it out. 
>>> > 
>>> >             jak
>>> > 
>>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> > From: "Brett Pentland" <brett.pentland@eng.monash.edu.au>
>>> > To: <dna-dt@eng.monash.edu.au>
>>> > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 12:48 AM
>>> > Subject: [DNA-DT] Solution1, Issue 11: LNOLO?
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>
>>>> >>The draft currently has a Landmark option that is included in RSs,
>>>> >>and a Landmark Not On Link Option that is included in RAs for
>>>> >>negative responses to Landmark Options.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Why not just include a "NAck" flag in a Landmark Option and allow it
>>>> >>to be included in RAs for the same purpose.  Also, in unicast "yes"
>>>> >>answers, if the answer is yes, then the PIO is not really needed
>>>> >>and a Landmark Option without the proposed NAck flag would be
>>>> >>sufficient.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>This way a unicast answer to an RS with an LO would always be
>>>> >>an RA with an LO (which identifies the prefix in question) and a
>>>> >>flag would indicate whether it's a positive or negative answer.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Any support for abandoning LNOLO in favour of LO with a NAck flag
>>>> >>but with the same semantics?
>>>> >>Any support for using an LO instead of a PIO for a unicast yes?

Brett

I think we have resoultion here.

Brett Pentland wrote:

> The draft currently has a Landmark option that is included in RSs,
> and a Landmark Not On Link Option that is included in RAs for
> negative responses to Landmark Options.
>
> Why not just include a "NAck" flag in a Landmark Option and allow it
> to be included in RAs for the same purpose.  Also, in unicast "yes"
> answers, if the answer is yes, then the PIO is not really needed
> and a Landmark Option without the proposed NAck flag would be
> sufficient.
>
> This way a unicast answer to an RS with an LO would always be
> an RA with an LO (which identifies the prefix in question) and a
> flag would indicate whether it's a positive or negative answer.
>
> Any support for abandoning LNOLO in favour of LO with a NAck flag
> but with the same semantics?
> Any support for using an LO instead of a PIO for a unicast yes?


There seems to be support for both now. 

-- Main.BrettPentland - 18 Apr 2005

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